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Excerpts not played in court and never made public until now. And that screenplay she developed with Mark Fuhrman's help? FUHRMAN: And then I go does anybody have any evidence to produce? She also called for an independent "blue-ribbon commission" to investigate gender bias and sexual harassment issues at the LAPD.[14]. PHILLIPS: Why have you decided to come forward now and talk to us? The transcript and audio of that portion of the tapes was never released. They also did not hear the 39 other times Fuhrman used the n-word tapes obtained by the defense. 03:54 BST 30 Mar 2016 HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McKinny what was your occupation? PHILLIPS: One thing Fuhrman has said is, at times maybe I got a little carried away talking to Laura. PHILLIPS: And it was sure happening in L.A. in the 1980s with resentment and retaliation against the campaign to recruit more women and minorities to the LAPD. And you go how could this have happened to us? PHILLIPS: Next Fuhrman worries more about the movie than the murder. If they came up to me and spoke or anything like that, Mark Fuhrman would say what are you doing? PHILLIPS: What did you tell him? Sound of former LAPD detective's words reverberates far beyond. their faces were just mush. 'I'm doing the one thing that I can - I can do. Man, it has the smell of n****** that have been beaten and killed in there for years.' UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of verdict in violation of penal code -- HART MCKINNY: Could have actually helped to make a guilty man go free. Fuhrman transcripts reportedly reveal brutal beatings. After O.J. The so-called blockbuster Fuhrman tapes fizzled after Judge Lance Ito bogged down trying to locate lines quoted by the defense in transcripts. There is the Rolling 60's, n***** group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds.' PHILLIPS: Then Morris says came a high priority call, burglary in progress. Go "on guard?" HART MCKINNY: I trust you. The defense contends the tapes portray Fuhrman as a liar - he testified earlier in the trial that he hadn't used the racial slur in the last decade - and show he is capable of planting evidence against Simpson. - On his hometown, 'When I came on the job all my training officers were big guys and knowledgeable, some n*****'d get in their face, they just spin 'em around, choke 'em out until they dropped.' HART MCKINNY: I have three sons. Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. That is really their natural response. 'Grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head, and used her as a barricade. PHILLIPS: Exposing alleged hatred. He did specify he knew it was stemming from Fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. . By Fuhrman was also recorded stating that women who were good leaders "are either so ugly or they're a lesbian or they're so dyke-ish that they are not women anymore. Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. Fuhrman was uncomfortable with the attention the trial brought to him and wished things had been different. Without the glove - bye, bye.'. HART MCKINNY: I would say it did. More than once though he is describing a violent incident, like when he tells a story about beating up a suspect in his custody. In the tapes Fuhrman also made many references to the "planting of evidence" and implied that police brutality and evidence planting were common practice in the Los Angeles Police Department. This is dangerous? Then he and the other officers went out back according to Fuhrman and washed off the blood with a hose before returning to work. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? You've got 200 n****** that are trying to take you prisoner.' - On suspects resisting arrest, 'You just go out and what are gonna do with some n***** with a knife? They're utterly incompetent and they're dangerous. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. HART MCKINNY: Depending on the crime committed, the grand dragon would determine what the (inaudible) would be. HART MCKINNY: No. We have no n****** where I grew up.'. ', He also defended his collection of German war artifacts from World Wart II by saying they were 'not swastikas.'. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. PHILLIPS: Her 12 tapes would become a racial powder keg. Fuhrman was the cop who \"noticed\" a speck of blood on O.J. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. He told us what he observed and what he had been hearing about the men against women and the WAF, the White Angle Faction police. HART MCKINNY: I thought I have to send the tapes. And he was blaming the department for his stress, because of those issues that he had. - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? ", "Fuhrman Grants Interview, Apologizes for Slurs", "LAPD's Fuhrman Inquiry Calls for Sweeping Changes", Site at MIT with information on Fuhrman tapes, The People v. O. J. Simpson: American Crime Story, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuhrman_tapes&oldid=1142694116, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 3 March 2023, at 21:52. - Speaking against women on the force, 'No, we have to eliminate a choke hold because a bunch of n****** down in the south end of L.A. said this is bad.' He pleaded no contest to the charges in October of that year and received three-years probation, making him the only person involved in the Simpson case to be convicted on any charges. - Describing his partner on the force, 'Westwood is gone, the n****** have discovered it. HART MCKINNY: Yes, it's time. Denying having ever planted evidence, Fuhrman stated, "there was never a shred, never a hint, never a possibility--not a remote, not a million--, not a billion-to-one possibility--I could have planted anything. torture. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? Simpson, including a bloody glove. HART MCKINNY: I spent time writing here thinking about what it would be like for the MAW guys to be here. . Simpson trial. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. But just about everything he told McKinny was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the actual events, with one exception, MAW, Men against women. Preliminary Hearings and Grand Jury, Jury & Witness Lists There has got to be a reason why he is going to tell you the truth.' Go for Shapiro, he's an a******.'. HART MCKINNY: I was plummet why? Held her like this, threw the pitch down the stairs. - On LAPD coworker who took up fencing, 'I used to go to work and practice movements. PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. PHILLIPS: Morris says she was so scared she didn't finish her shift that night. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. More from the infamous tapes you've never heard. Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. Fuhrman was the first cop on the scene. I didn't know what I was doing. FUHRMAN: Stand around the dark parking lot of a baseball diamond drinking beer at 3:30 in the morning. That the other guys wouldn't talk with him. Wilshire division is all n******. 'Two guys, well, there was four guys. PHILLIPS: So being on this Task Force, you were privy to internal reports and Mark Fuhrman was mentioned in a number of these. It was also revealed during the trial that Det. "You're either my partner all the way, or get the f--- out of this . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you say on your oath that you have not addressed any black person as a nigger or spoken about black people as niggers in the past 10 years, Detective Fuhrman? PHILLIPS: But those tapes have also done exactly what McKinny started out to do. FUHRMAN: Their response is what? FUHRMAN: Yes. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. The whole world would watch him implode. HART MCKINNY: I think those tape spoke volumes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a horrendous crime. - On stopping black people with no probable cause, 'That's where n****** live.' Items Introduced into Evidence BAYAN LEWIS, FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEF, LAPD: Because the command staff that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. See the article in its original context from. c. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations between 1985 and 1986 Fuhrman used the term "nigger" in a disparaging manner 41 times. He should be shot. PHILLIPS: Stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. Simpson Murder Trial Simon Hasselhoff 2.77K subscribers Subscribe Share 218K views 6 years ago The audio tapes Mark Fuhrman recorded with screenwriter. PHILLIPS: Voices like Tia Morris. PHILLIPS: Two people brutally murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and the main suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend, O.J. She was also the wife of Judge Lance Ito. He is very capable of protecting himself. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman roll playing as the quote grand dragon, leading what he describes as a tribunal, calling out a fellow officer for fraternizing with a female cop. Fuhrman also uses the slur while explaining his reasons for possibly pulling over a motorist, saying; 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him. It was Fuhrman who reported finding the bloody glove behind Simpson's house the morning after the June 12, 1994, murders of Nicole . Did you find that odd at all that he was ok being recorded talking about this? Well, on 2/25 I observed the defendant not only kiss but touch on ass of the female officers. Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen. . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're still trying to Market this? HART MCKINNY: That is what he said. Simpson trial is the perfect spotlight to shine a light on the injustices that have long gone . You'll do what you're told, you understand n*****.' . Simpson was found not guilty? HART MCKINNY: I have a business relationship with him. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:23:005] PHILLIPS: By day a ball field, by night an imaginary courtroom. And he said I work with them and they're incompetent. We have to be willing to be vulnerable. The glove is everything. They sat down knowing they were never going to convict that man,' said Fuhrman. . HART MCKINNY: He violated all of our principles, and he glances at the note pad, kissing one female officer on duty in uniform and embarrassing us all. "[4], In further interviews, Fuhrman made the statements "we had them begging that they'd never be gang members again, begging us" and that he would tell black people "You do what you're told, understand, nigger? HART MCKINNY: Yes. PHILLIPS: And internal investigations. PHILLIPS: And her man on the inside, Officer Mark Fuhrman had plenty to say on the subject. We gave all the females names, like these really ugly ones called critter, and this other one we call her, uh Hench Monkey like in the Wizard of Oz. PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. Why? - On questioning suspects, 'We basically get impatient with him being so f****** stupid. PHILLIPS: What did you say to her? She looks just like one of those monkeys they send out of the castle. So to this day you don't know who gave you up, basically to the defense. HART MCKINNY: Yes. In 1985, 10 years before the O.J. August 15, 1995 . Split, hide, yell, scream, and hide in the corner. PHILLIPS: And then you lost on appeal. Numerous bones in each one of them. But what did the Mark Fuhrman tapes say? PHILLIPS: So he made you get out at the scene. - Describing LAPDnarcoticsunit, 'First thing, anything out of a n*****'s mouth for the first five or six sentences is a f****** lie. PHILLIPS: Today, no longer a screenplay consultant, or a cop, Fuhrman, who declined to be interviewed for this program, is an author. My first failure was the lure of greed, and the second was my lack of compassion. 06:17 BST 30 Mar 2016. Judge Lance Ito ruled against use of the tape . It is therefore relevant and admissible as impeachment. It is a theory without factual support. I don't know if you've heard that before, but what's your reaction to that? Fuhrman, who has retired from. That is how MAW, men against women, reportedly worked. PHILLIPS: Stunning to hear now, but not really surprising when looking back on a man known to be cocky. So a month and a half after the murders, Fuhrman tells you this. PHILLIPS: So when you heard about men against women and this group of guys making it their mission to intimidate and harass women, did you believe it? HART MCKINNY: There was the reality that maybe the tapes had something to do with the jury's verdict and because of that I would be persona non grata in many people's eyes. HART MCKINNY: Right. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? They go, hey Bubba, what's happening, like that.' The defense may present McKinny's testimony as follows: b. HART MCKINNY: I just froze and said yes and then we left town, immediately, because I had no idea what to do. PHILLIPS: Really? PHILLIPS: What was your reaction to the verdict when O.J. SIMPSON, FOOTBALL LEGEND: Absolutely 100 percent not guilty. PHILLIPS: Did she see the writing on the wall? Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. McKinny also testified in the Simpson case without the jury present to determine if the tapes she recorded would be used at trial. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. 'They had pictures on the walls, there was blood all the way to the ceiling with finger marks like they were trying to crawl out of the room.'. Because of Fuhrman's discovery of a bloody glove at the Rockingham residence and its scientific significance, he is a significant although not essential witness against the defendant. Internal Affairs files secured by a reporter revealed that the LAPD has been regularly covering up serious problems of family violence, principally wife-beating, within its ranks," adding "officers who beat their wives are regularly exonerated or receive only minor suspensions, even for brutal acts of violence. . They're easy. The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. Coming up Mark Fuhrman's behavior would no longer be just an internal problem. After learning that Fuhrman was a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer and had strong views about the employment of women as LAPD officers, McKinny engaged Fuhrman as a consultant to provide background information about the reality of the experiences of LAPD officers and to serve as a technical advisor in the development of a screenplay. PHILLIPS: That is what he said? That request was later withdrawn by the prosecution, and Judge Ito decided to stay on the case after he asked another judge to make a ruling on whether or not he believed his wife was now a relevant witness given statements made by Fuhrman in the tapes. That brief recording heard by the jury was taken from 13 hours of interviews between Fuhrman and screenwriter Laura McKinny recorded between 1985 and 1994, with the last tape being made a month after Simpson was charged in his wife's murder. Boys will be boys and we needed to tell the organization if you even claim to be engaged in this kind of behavior, we'll investigate it and let chips fall where they may and secondly, if it was within statute, then we would take it to the district attorney and file on it. HART MCKINNY: I hate it when people are cruel to each other and thought it's got to be happening not just here. I thought whoa. Simpson Murder Trial winborneb 4.06K subscribers Subscribe 41 Share Save 7.3K views 5 years ago LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police. Obviously he is lying the first two times. The thought of taking someone's life and being happy that it wasn't you and finding a way to go great job, that was a hell of an evening, it's just overwhelming, the really is, the idea of a kill party. You're never going to find. PHILLIPS: In the end the task force confirmed 12 of 29 events describe by Fuhrman. PHILLIPS: He won. BERNARD PARKS, DEPUTY CHIEF LAPD: I made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's background and not give them an opportunity to put the department in a bad light. HART MCKINNY: It's an odd feeling, very odd feeling. His voice on those tapes could not be erased. Nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. The specific racial epithet at issue is perhaps the single most insulting, inflammatory and provocative term in use in modern day America. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tenured officers, he and the other officers would sit in the back and throw paper or pencils and make loud and vulgar comments as the watch commander read our names and they say she is a pig and things like that. PHILLIPS: How did you stomach listening to that over and over again? They did not however hear what came before that line of the tapes, which was; 'People there don't want n****** in their town. HART MCKINNY: I was. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was scared. I remember you got a lot of death threats. Kill parties. FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. ANNOUNCER: The following is a CNN special report. He said in that interview that he had not told a 'willful lie' on the stand, claiming; 'I never remembered those tapes. You can't handle a man. Moment commuter blasts eco-zealots, Royal superfans camping on The Mall ahead of King's Coronation, Women's rights activists and pro-trans campaigners separated, Cambridge students party in the park during annual celebrations, Russian freight train derails and bursts into flames after explosion, Historic chairs to be reused by the King for the coronation service, Hundreds of Household Division members rehearse for coronation, Braverman: People crossing Channel are 'at odds with British values', 'You motherf***ers don't understand': Bam Margera details 'turmoil', Ukraine drone strike hits major fuel depot in port Sevastopol. Excerpts you are now hearing for the very first time. FUHRMAN: You've got to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue. 'They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. They would impugn the integrity of the LAPD. He said may I speak with Laura Hart McKinny and I said this is she but I didn't recognize the voice. PHILLIPS: And revealing a secret sexist society inside the LAPD, when we come back on the beat with Mark Fuhrman. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. HART MCKINNY: No. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: What was it you couldn't say then that you can tell me now? MORRIS: Yes. Simpson's defense team argued that Fuhrman planted the glove on Simpson's estate following the murder. [4][5] In a taped interview to McKinney in 1985, Fuhrman bragged about his leadership in MAW, a secret organization within the LAPD that reportedly had 145 members in five of the city's 18 police divisions during its heyday in the mid-1980s. Judge Ito's ruling on juror targeting by the prosecution. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations. PHILLIPS: And your thought was? PHILLIPS: The taping began when their romantic relationship ended. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman and others were not formally punished but Fuhrman's reputation took a hit. The defense may play and display the following excerpts as impeachment: The court finds the probative value of the remaining examples to be substantially and overwhelmingly outweighed by the danger of undue prejudice. ', He also uses it when discussing his issues with his fellow Americans donating money to other countries, saying; 'You know these people here, we got all this money going to Ethiopia for what. Fuhrman first uses the racial slur while complaining about changes in the LAPD, saying; 'That we've got females and dumb n******, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive. HART MCKINNY: So they would hold these late night meetings and figure out how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. What has that been like for you? You know, I'm apologizing from the bottom of my heart for creating pain where pain wasn't necessary. We grabbed a girl that lived there, one of their girlfriends. It reveals more of Fuhrman's disturbing recordings. Outside the presence of the jury, Fuhrman was questioned by the defense team, invoking his Fifth Amendment right on all questions, including the question, "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? HART MCKINNY: It just pissed me off. I was first unit at the scene. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. Simpson trial. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. Then in 1991 there was this, a grainy video of four white cops beating Rodney King. PHILLIPS: They swayed a verdict. I don't know who called. This is a conversation we're . He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. HART MCKINNY: No one, talking about me, should be profiting from this tragedy that people have to live with every day of their life. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman's words would inspire McKinny's writing for decades. Now a CNN exclusive, excerpts from the Mark Fuhrman tapes you've never heard and the woman who recorded him. Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. - On a police division, 'He grew up in school with all blacks, and every time a n***** looked at him, he'd jump them cause he figured they were going to jump on him, so he might as well start the fight right now and get it over with.' I really don't. Did you even realize at the time that was such a vulgar name for a woman? He was angry. He wants to be chief, so he wants the city council, and the police commissioner, and all these n****** in L.A. City government and all of 'em should be lined up against a wall and f******' shot.' If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. Torrance is considered the last white middle class society.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The court finds the defendant guilty based on his plea of no contest. Really is extraordinary, isn't it?' The court's examination of these 41 uses reveals not only the racial epithet itself, but a context that only adds to the insulting and inflammatory nature. Fuhrman had previously been to O.J's home, years earlier, on a domestic abuse call. Simpson -- that is until Simpson's defense team discovered recordings of Fuhrman speaking about his racist views, a career of police brutality, and routine evidence tampering to a writer. Aired 11p-12mn ET Aired July 21, 2017 - 23:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT.. He also accuses his colleagues, but not himself, of making multiple mistakes while investigating the case. I feel that often when I'm working. FUHRMAN: This is publicly humiliating a female officer in front of a bunch of male officers. That -- that part hasn't been good. Use critters. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use in the word -- describing people? Aug. 25, 1995 . To feed a bunch of dumb n****** that their own government won't even feed.' PHILLIPS: But Laura Hart McKinny would get much more than chills and a dramatic screen play. I really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so I'm clear to represent their voices. Trial Cop Tells of 'Tribunals', "Feminist Majority Foundation and National Center For Women & Policing Call for Citizens' Commission to Oversee Independent Investigation of Gender Bias In LAPD:Department Plagued by Reports of Sexual Harassment and Threats Against Women Officers and Wifebeating Cover-up", My World and Welcome Info Pages: Excerpts from the Fuhrman Tapes, "Fuhrman Invokes 5th Amendment, Refuses to Testify: Simpson case: Ex-detective is asked three questions, including whether he planted evidence. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you're watching the trial and you see this and you know what you've got on those tapes, what were you thinking? - On gun control, 'These n******, they run like rabbits, some policemen just sit there and they look, you have to tell them what to do.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you stop and think about what you should next do? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He would have been happy because he could have allowed me to get hurt and that would be right up his alley. He was a big n*****, and she was afraid.' The jury was not present for Fuhrman's testimony. Simpson charged with murder and Mark Fuhrman still taping. Which I thought he was. - Speaking about superior officer in LAPD, 'You know these people here, we got all this money going to Ethiopia for what. . - On America aid to Africa, 'People there don't want n****** in their town. PHILLIPS: A split-tail for a partner. PHILLIPS: There was a wealth of forensic evidence from drops of blood to shoe prints to a bloody glove. Another time he is complaining about members of the force no longer being allowed to use certain methods of force on suspects. Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were dead, and her ex-husband, O.J. That is what we do. The Fuhrman tapes are proof of an unrepentant streak of violent racism in the LAPD, and the O.J. FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. HART MCKINNY: Was very pleased that we won and thought that is the end of it, great. , updated "[13], The Los Angeles Police Department conducted an investigation to determine the validity of Fuhrman's claims on the tapes. '"No problem, not even any marks, Dana." HART MCKINNY: Still a mystery. He knew exactly how important he was. PHILLIPS: Right. Mark Fuhrman told you he personally he felt trapped. Simpson, was charged with the murders. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. PHILLIPS: And even one tape made just months before he would testify in the O.J. As a result, the defense team worked hard to discredit him at the trial, with lawyer F. Lee Bailey hinting through his questions during cross examination that Fuhrman might be a racist who planted the glove at Simpson's home. That's all I can do.'. PHILLIPS: One year after Fuhrman was passed over for a promotion, Parks had to set up another task force. And quote I'd pick up three or four gang members, bring them to the station. So then Mark Fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you look at him in the eye and say? The tapes include many racist slurs and remarks made by Fuhrman, including uses of the word "nigger," descriptions of police brutality perpetrated on black suspects, misogynist slurs and descriptions of the harassment and intimidation of female Los Angeles police officers by male officers. It's despicable, the fact that he can think about that and talk like that makes me think it's happening and so I have to find a way to reflect that. Fuhrman was the cop who decided that speck of blood was probable cause to climb over the wall to O.J. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. Equally disturbing is that Mark Fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. FUHRMAN: I thought I knew better being a policeman how to make the most controversial, outrageous, violent controversially crammed police show that we could make. 'He says you might as well make it pay off, if you don't make it pay off, all you're doing is going through all this heartache for nothing. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defense will question screen writer Laura Hart McKinny about interviews she taped with Fuhrman. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not guilty of murder. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive combined National Guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. Trial Transcripts HART MCKINNY: No, I didn't even know what a split tail was. PHILLIPS: Publishing the book was therapeutic, but disclosing the tapes, still painful. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. That fact almost derailed the entire Simpson case for both sides and came dangerously close to causing a mistrial. HART MCKINNY: It's been an emotional journey. - On his fellow officer s on the force, 'It's pretty clear-cut who the assholes are.

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