224 valkyrie vs 308

That explains a lot of the problems I have heard of. Good knowing now where that first one went, though, and what happened. left me feeling underwhelmed for two reasons: first, because I just don't care about extremely high velocities, and second, because it's not that much faster. Using a .245 G7 BC for the Nosler 85 RDF, and their velocity claim of 2750fps, we see the 22 Nosler 85gr staying supersonic at1055 yards. In the 224 Valkyrie, though, you will see a lot of heavy, long, high ballistic coefficient bullets loaded to magazine length, because the designers sacrificed a tiny amount of case capacity to allow for a longer bullet within the length required by the AR lower receiver and magazine internal dimensions. LOL, I wish I had that on tape! When designing 6.8 SPC, the folks behind the cartridge tested, as I understand it, everything from .224 to .30 cal. A 22-24" 6.5 creed gas gun gun should have no problem pushing those bullets to 2600. Plus, of course, there's a supply of 224 Valkyrie ammo from Federal, meaning you can take that brass and reuse it. he got stuck three times before we got it off the soft dirt wheeler trails. No. But I have found this particular 308 AR to deliver very good accuracy, more than enough to consistently hit steel targets within 500 yards remember, we're shooting big steel targets, not comparing tiny groups on paper. I enjoyed shooting the 224 but with little chance to stretch the distance out I like the per shot cost of my 223 a lot more , and as I do not yet reload I have no experience on how easy or fickle they could be . I can't do the 50 cal browning, but i can do the 30 cal browning. It offers dramatically improved extended range trajectories over all other AR-15 cartridges with roughly half the recoil of .308-based long range cartridges offering comparable ballistics. One (Left to right) 6.5 PRC, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 Grendel, 224 Valkyrie. Overall thats probably better-than-average performance, when it comes to ammunition living up to advertising hype. just wear your earplugs, lol, when that big hog charges you and 98, he will open up on all that ham and prolly melt that barrel! You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. The 224 Valkyrie is a nice little round. 224 Valkyrie is designed to perform with a twist rate of 1/7 or even faster many barrels are available with a 1 in 6.5" twist. All Rights Reserved, 224 Valkyrie is supersonic at longer range, 18" velocity numbers from Bill Marr's work, 5.56 NATO Superformance Match 75gr BTHP from a 20" barrel are 2910fps, Hornady's Superformance Varmint line offers a 53gr V-Max at 3465 out of a 24" barrel, 22 Nosler data coming straight from Nosler, 224 Valkyrie data coming from Sierra Bullets, some excellent (and timely) work by Bill Marr at Rifleshooter.com, excellent stability calculator on Berger Bullets' website, who has written extensively about the 6.8 SPC, The Problem with Raising the Age of Gun Ownership to 21, Delete the Videos! I've already referred to his numbers above. Barrel life gains are getting bigger and new bullets change things fast. i scoped it and seen it was a big hog. A simple twist of the adjustable gas block corrected both problems. Federal was wise to include a budget ammunition option in the American Eagle line for the 224 Valkyrie. Out of an AR, maybe. well crap, glad i aint got no bolt action. The cheapest 22 Nosler match grade ammunition at the time of this writing seems to be hovering over 1 dollar per round note that there is currently a 62gr Varmageddon available directly from Nosler at a special price of 70 cents per round, but it seems to be a sale or clearance price, not a normal price. Shooters are also guilty of neophobia, which is an extreme or irrational fear or dislike of anything new, novel or unfamiliar. Distance: Compared to the .223 Rem, the .224 Valkyrie stays supersonic hundreds of yards further for accurate groupings at targets well over 1,000 yards. No they arent average guns. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association. Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Review: JP Enterprises SCR-11 Rifle in 224 Valkyrie, Top AR-15 Chamberings: 8 Great Do-It-All Loads, First Look: Federal Premium Gold Medal Sierra MatchKing 224 Valkyrie, Lessons Learned From a Ballistician | An Official Journal Of The NRA, CMP Milsurp Ammo In High Demand, .30 Carbine Online Sales Exhausted In One Week | An NRA Shooting Sports Journal, Review: Federal Top Gun With Paper Wad | An NRA Shooting Sports Journal, An Ultimate "Do-All" Rifle: My Case For the Steyr Scout | NRA Family, First Look: Mission First Tactical Multi Mount, Is It Right For You? Of course, this is true with many cartridges, and is likely to be true with 224 Valkyrie. The MPA mags have 14 round capacity. And, I think, many people shooting 600 yard competitions with 223 Rem/5.56 NATO rifles would be just fine sticking with that they have and what they know. Recoil: The 6.8 SPC-based case holds more gunpowder than .223 cartridges and delivers great velocity, but retains a comparable level of recoil. I tried helping a couple friends with them and from what I recall, RL-15 was the only way to get the 88-90gr bullets to work. Often, especially at 500 and beyond, one must listen very carefully for the telltale sound of a hit when using 223 Rem. You can see literally 99% of the same velocity with 223 Rem, as Hornady's Superformance Varmint line offers a 53gr V-Max at 3465 out of a 24" barrel. Despite having a heavier profile barrel (and less material removed from the inside of the barrel), the 224 Valkyrie rifle came in over a pound lighter than the 308 Win rifle when unloaded. Though still shy of the Creedmoor ballistically, from an AR-15 its as close as youre going to getat least until something new and even more specialized comes along. It seems that new rounds are springing up left and right, especially in the AR platform. There are simply too many versatile and purpose-built munitions to choose from. I think the reason 308 makes sense in a bolt gun is because it has enough case capacity to push .30 cal bullets of a given weight as fast needed for specific applications when you don't need or want the velocity/recoil of a cartridge that could push said bullet faster. Many Barrel Configurations [Click] The utility of the 224 Valkyrie is going to be lost on most AR-15 owners and buyers. No, the 224 Valkyrie isn't as good as the 6.5mm Creedmoor in terms of external ballistics, but if you want to shoot to nearly the same distances at significantly lower cost and with less recoil, you'll probably love having a 224 Valkyrie in the safe next to your 6.5 Creedmoor. The 224 Valkyrie was engineered to do a specific thing better than any commercially available AR-15 cartridge, and that thing is not general in nature. Either way, 22 Nosler is about three to five times the price of the cheapest new production 55gr brass case .223 Rem, the cartridge 22 Nosler is meant to be better than. OBVIOUSLY it's going to be easier to make hits with the fancy rifle!". If you want to get to know the full history, you only need to go back a few years. Those who live in the generalized world will be quick to point out the 22 Nosler already does this. It might be able to fire 55s at over 3250fps! Thats very true, but the 22 Nosler is a generalized cartridge. The 224 Valkyrie is built to defeat wind drift and drop, and the 60-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip Varmint maximizes these built-in ballistics with a sleek, thin-jacket, polymer-tipped bullet. This means it will work in an AR-15 and reliably feed from conventional 6.8 SPC magazines. Both rifles had effectively identical optics, and while the 308 Win AR is set up as more of a fighting carbine with Magpul MOE handguards and a fixed front sight base oh come on, that made a great story, HOG's are tough,so don't forget your 20 round magazine for that .308. | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Should You Carry Your Gun With an Empty Chamber? And it uses 308 Brass ! If you dont like it dont buy one, pretty fuckin simple solution. With every passing industry trade show, we are introduced to the next big thing, or little thing, as the case may be. Trajectory: Though the two calibers use bullets of the same diameter, the .224 Valkyrie is capable of supporting longer, heavier designs for better aerodynamics, giving it a flatter, more dependable trajectory. Copyright © 308AR.com 2023 "But wait!" Only 2600? Stock: Injection-molded synthetic, Sitka Optifade Subalpine finish Sights: None; Picatinny rail One recent cartridge has broken this trend for me, and that cartridge is the 224 Valkyrie. The 224 Valkyrie was designed to shoot heavier bullets up to The JP rifle handled all four loads equally well with the same gas block setting. While Im sure no one at Federal will admit it, what the company really did was apply the Creedmoor concept to the 22 PDK/22 Nosler. Talk to a fellow shooter. But one way to get better terminal ballistics is to shoot a heavier/longer bullet of the same caliber, and 6.8 SPC, from what I have seen, shortens the effective range of the M4 instead of lengthening it while 224 Valkyrie increases both terminal effectiveness and range. I told him you will have to pull that hide off in strips. Another consideration regarding velocity: if you reload, you'll probably find that the best (most accurate) 22 Nosler loads aren't the fastest. Instead of the .422 rim diameter of the .30 Rem. Back to the 224V it was designed to push a .224 bullet as fast as possible with sub MOA accuracy out of a AR platform rifle. he keeps going. If you're short on time or have no stomach for massive walls of text, here's the summary: 224 Valkyrie is cheaper to shoot, the cartridge case makes more sense from a reloading perspective, and it offers better performance at long distance, especially when considering wind, thanks to its ability to shoot heavier bullets. This approval is critical because it standardizes the manufacture of guns and ammo, opening up for the production of both by any manufacturer. On the other hand, the .224 Valkyrie has a shorter case length than the .223 Remington and 22 Nosler, which helps explain why the .224 Valkyrie can shoot longer bullets than the other two, but still has the same maximum overall length. At the same time, like the 6.8 Remington SPC, the .224 Valkyrie has a rim diameter of .422. I have no problem getting to 1000 yds. I'll try to find the data on that - I've got a bunch of Valk data in my thread on that thing, and it's comparison to the Grendel popular loads. Caliber: .223 Rem., .22-250, .224 Valkyrie (tested) Capacity: 4- and 7-round detachable magazines Barrel: 24.5 in., hammer-forged chrome-moly, 1:7 twist Overall Length: 46.25 in. As for the Valkyries parent cartridgethe 6.8 SPCits simply not in the same class. Unlike the new rifle, though, this one was actually chambered in 308 and based on the "Large Frame AR" platform. This is the fundamental difference between 22 Nosler and 224 Valkyrie: Nosler seemed to be chasing either 22-250 or the most impressive muzzle velocity numbers for a press release, while Federal, apparently having learned from experiences such as the 327 Federal debacle, went after downrange performance with heavier bullets. That is a big hog, and I've seen some big domestic hogs, bottom line, I'd prolly start with a .30 cal, and work my way up! that would make a great movie, you guys should have TV show! Incidentally, if you combine the overall performance of both rifles, you get an average precision of 1.40 MOA, thus confirming my 1.5-MOA average postulation. i also use the 88eldm, still working a load that performs significantly better than box hornady, but box ammo isnt bad. Accuracy was average to excellent. But between the .270 Winchester and the .280 Remington, which offers the best performance for the hunter? I guess I dont expect mass produced rifles to shoot like custom guns.. now we couldnt pick that big sucker up to put on a wheeler and it would probably have bottomed out our springs anyway. NO. I even when back old-school and built a 221 Fireball, great little round and fun to shoot. He's gotta be 8 feet long, stretched up like that - because I know you ain't a 5-footer yourself That Valk finally did it - what were you loaded with? WebHere we take the .224 Valkyrie head to head with the 6.8 SPC. Yes they are made in a factory. For some, that wouldn't be a problem, and they'd never dream of shooting the cheapest brass case factory ammo they could find. You see, the 75gr Full Metal Jacket load the "cheap stuff" from Federal for the 224 Valkyrie is the former, and 7.62x51 M80 ball out of a 24.8" barrel the latter. Take for example a 300BLK in a bolt, to me that would only make sense if you were going to shoot it subsonic / suppressed all the time. Second, rifles are built to work with what might be considered standard rim diameters. As for the .224 Valkyrie, in some states you cant legally hunt big game with a .22-caliber; 6mm (.244) is the minimum. I expect any modern rifle to shoot 5 shots inside 1 moa with ammo that it likes. he had his grand daughter and wanted her to see it. Most people seem to buy ARs for home defense or plinking, both of which the AR in 5.56 excels in doing. Target shooters, I think, will love the 224 Valkyrie, especially if they are using the AR15 platform. How many threads on this forum do you see for building rifles in .222? 224 Valkyrie, on the other hand, uses the 6.8 SPC as a parent case, meaning 6.8 SPC brass can be modified via the few steps one would already take when reloading (trimming and resizing). but it went under the brain. As a gun writer I try to predict which ones will take off. 224 Valkyrie and 22 CM are both designed for heavy bullets and long range. His wheeler was hurtin, i could hear it bogging down. Cartridges are often unfairly compared because shooters tend to look at things from a generalized perspective. Before the Valkyrie, .308 and 6.5mm rifles dominated the competition scene thanks to the inherent accuracy of their cartridge design. If a cartridge is created with drastically different dimensions, it will not work with currently available magazines. For starters, its much less expensive to modify an existing case than it is to design a new one. In 2017, recognizing an overwhelming need for .224-based cartridges supporting heavier, longer and more aerodynamic bullets, Federal Ammunition developed the .224 Valkyrie. By comparison, the Savage retails for $1,249. Enter your email address to subscribe and receive notifications of new posts by email. If you like shooting 308 Win and for some reason haven't jumped on the 6.5CM bandwagon, you'll love 224 Valkyrie, if only because the trajectories are so similar that you won't have to spend a ton of time memorizing a bunch of new holdovers and you'll have a better time dealing with wind, too. The initial screw up by Federal is a valid point. This was an interesting contrast for me, as the two rifles were roughly the same size and shape and could conceivably be used for the same purposes sure, 308 Win has some advantages, but as I soon found out, so did 224 Valkyrie. I love it in bolt action and shoot it all the time. While a 223 or 5.56 barrel of 18" length would use a rifle gas, intermediate gas, or midlength gas system depending on the desires of the end user, this Rock Creek barrel uses a gas system one inch longer than a standard rifle gas system. ya'll take care. That doesn't sound cool at all in a press release. I thus built a rifle using an 18" Rock Creek stainless barrel provided by Rainier Arms. The .224 Valkyrie also stacks up favorably with other chamberings common to the AR platform. He was gonna die anyway but i need him dead to get out of there. All 3 have been under sub moa. Honest question: How do you track hits and misses at that kind of range with something as small as 224V? Looks like between 1100-1200 foot pounds and about 2400 fps depending on barrel length. You are failing to comprehend the point. this thing is roaring like a bear and blowing like a deer. I see the Valkyrie as an affordable factory round for practice that is ballistically similar to the In contrast, the 224 Valkyrie caused the range safety officer (who seemed to take a particular interest in the rifles I was shooting) to immediately comment on how loud the impact sound was when I was making hits. Theres a lot more room for debate with this question compared with the 5.56 NATO vs .224 Valkyrie conundrum. So yes, it's true that 22 Nosler offers increased performance over 223 Rem, but the difference between a ho-hum 223 Rem load and the velocities one can achieve with 5.56 NATO or Hornady Superformance loads vacate Nosler's vaunted velocity victory. I fully expect that, when other ammunition manufacturers choose to load 224 Valkyrie, we will see a 100-150fps bump but even if we don't, 224 Valkyrie is superior to both 223 Rem and 22 Nosler for long range shooting, if for no other reason than the case design allows for longer bullets that help buck wind better. Given that we're looking at shooting heavier bullets at lower velocities than the 22 Nosler, which has a stated barrel life of 2000 rounds for target and benchrest use or 4000 rounds for competition, I am strongly inclined to believe that the 224 Valkyrie will have moderately increased barrel life compared to 22 Nosler. You are using an out of date browser. I was relieved to see that, contrary to my fears, 224 Valkyrie did not depend on long barrels for its performance.

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